The Politics of Holding Students Hostage Til Gun Control

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The Politics of Holding Students Hostage Til Gun Control

Post by bignflnut » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:25 am

Advocates for gun control have actually begun arguing against practical measures addressing school security. Rather than take strategies that can be implemented virtually immediately, and which address the dangers in a specific place in a common-sense way, gun control advocates would rather focus on a political victory at some point in the future and continue to leave schools without proper security measures.

The general argument is that any effort at meaningful security is unacceptable because it turns schools into "fortresses."

Numerous examples of this line of reasoning can be found on Twitter. They are often remarkably similar in message which is "forget school security, just ban guns!"

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But, the overall strategy here is startling. Gun control advocates are in a way holding school children hostage to their message by shooting down calls for better school security. Their essential position is "no security for children until we get the gun control legislation we want!"

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For places like amusement parks, concert venues, city halls, county courthouses, state legislatures — and of course — the US capitol, security measures have already been implemented. Is there evidence that everyone working in these building regards them as "prisons"? After all, the private owners — people who are potentially liable for violence on their premises — want security, and you hear few of them resort to a knee-jerk declaration of "it won't work!" when their lawyers and stockholders advise them to implement security solutions.

Indeed, what we often hear as a objections to "security" are really just objections to the incompetence and unpleasantness of public schools. We're told that greater security at schools will encourage more abuse of student rights via random searches, drug tests, and aggressively unpleasant encounters with security personnel.

In other words, we're being warned that public-school security reflects the quality of public schools in general. If greater security automatically leads to abusive behavior by security, then why do we not see this behavior at the Magic Kingdom or at baseball stadium? The answer lies in how public schools function.
Why should it surprise anyone that those calling for gun control would callously endanger students until they got their way? Have you seen their other positions on current issues? They think nothing of a slippery slope or anything past wallowing in their own crapulence. They're the sane ones and everyone else is mentally ill, useless eaters, needing to be weeded out.

We, on the other hand, uphold humans as having dignity and value. Relationship and intimacy having great worth, not something to be tossed around higgelty-piggelty. We stand for the Rights of people and the defense of the innocent and weak. We offer solutions that would save lives, instead of igniting Civil War. We suggest protecting students, instead of holding them hostage to our political desires.
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Re: The Politics of Holding Students Hostage Til Gun Control

Post by bignflnut » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:19 am

Please follow the bouncing ball:
"If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly, and the good thing about a suggestion like that -- and we're going to be looking at it very strongly, and I think a lot of people are going to be opposed to it. I think a lot of people are going to like it. But the good thing is you're going to have a lot of [armed] people with that," said the President.

President Trump on concealed carry for teachers: "If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly." pic.twitter.com/SnKjyYH0uw
— Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) February 21, 2018

Trump said that athletic director at Stoneman Douglas High School, Chris Hixon, had "saved a lot of lives," however if he had been armed, he could have saved more.

"He wouldn't have had to run, he would have shot, and that would have been the end of it," he said, adding that he only supported concealed carry for people "adept" with guns.

Trump also knocked gun-free zones around schools.

"A gun-free zone to a maniac, because they're all cowards, a gun-free zone is 'let's go in and attack,'" he said. "I really believe if these cowards knew that the school was well-guarded from the standpoint of pretty much having professionals with great training, I think they wouldn't go into the schools to start with, it would pretty much solve your problem."

Trump then turned to the attendees for their thoughts, asking "So does anybody like that idea here, does anybody like it? ... Do people feel strongly against it, anybody? Anybody? Strongly against it? We can understand both sides. Certainly, it's controversial, but we'll study that along with many other ideas."
Sure it's funny to have gun controllers sit there and say how teachers can't handle self-defense, or the crickets...
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But apparently displeased with the tenor of the coverage that his remarks elicited, Trump tweeted this morning that he never said he'd like to "give teachers guns"...what he said was to "looked at the possibility" of giving concealed weapons to teachers with a military background or who are "gun adept" - a group that would include, at max, 20% of teachers...

...Before adding that "gun-adept" teachers would, in fact, be an effective deterrent to "sicko" school shooters who would "NEVER attack that school" knowing that they might face return fire from a host of educators...

I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018


....immediately fire back if a savage sicko came to a school with bad intentions. Highly trained teachers would also serve as a deterrent to the cowards that do this. Far more assets at much less cost than guards. A “gun free” school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018
“A free people claim their rights, as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.”
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